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A psychedelic conversation between novelist, hypertext pioneer, and musician Robert Arellano and Mark Amerka as they discuss their creative hypertext output in the early-mid 90s. Arellano talks at length about the need to work against the technological universe of readymade information and his decision to not have a mobile phone as way to challenge his own relationship with the digital network culture. Instead, he improvises IRL, opts for a slow tech movement, and finds pleasure in "the waiting" while always being on guard for what comes next. He's ready to hit the record button at the split second a happening occurs but for the most part prefers to jam with the electrosphere with one hand tied behind his back. Robert Arellano (born July 12, 1969) is an American author, musician and educator. His literary production includes pioneering work in electronic publishing, graphic-novel editions for Soft Skull Press/Counterpoint, and four novels published by Akashic Books, including the groundbreaking hypertext novel Sunshine '69 in 1996. His most recent novel, Curse the Names, about a reporter living and working in Los Alamos, New Mexico was published in 2012 by Akashic. He has published fiction and essays in Jane, The Believer, Tin House, and The Village Voice. He is professor in Emerging Media and Digital Arts as a part of the Center for Visual Arts at Southern Oregon University, in Ashland, OR.